are at foxnews.com. this is the ninth edition of the ball f turner report. we'll see you next week. two american journalists return from their lockup in north korea. that targets pandas a security risk. >> beeron pictures does not invite the press to there. >> out of the manson murders four years ago shape news coverage of it today cemented birthdays at the white house this week the two big jokes and late-night. on the panel this week, jane hall of the american university, national review editor, rich

lowry. jim pinkerton, a fellow at the new american foundation and judy miller, writer and "fox news" contributor. i'm jon scott, "fox news watch" is on right now. >> you are here today because we all have written letters, we all have made calls, we all get that information. we all sent letters of our concerns. we all have gotten the same form letters back. we are here today because we want an answer that is not a form letter. we want answers. and i got a question for this time and. >> go sit down. >> i have a question for this young man. he has the right to be represented, i am his father and i want to talk to taste the face.

>> i see nothing that is about health or to care. [ applause ] >> what i see is if your credit nightmare, senator. medicaid is broken, medicare is broke. social security is broke. and you want us to believe that a government that can't even run a cash for clockers program is going to run on the seventh of our u.s. economy? no sir. no. spirit seems from town hall meetings around the country including that last one where health and human services secretary kathleen city leaders and senator arlen specter of careful about health care reform in philadelphia. fashion statements like the ones you've heard of it to a fierce reaction from the liberal media. take a look america story on the countdown the astroturf of healthcare reform and desperate bid to defeat it. remarkable new video tonight of fake grassroots protesters working from scripts disrupting town hall meeting some

democratic lawmakers do not assist on cable tv. then there's this from the new york times. >> the message from the mainstream media seems to be that these things are fake. their so-called astroturf. they're not willing to give credence to the idea that these might be broke people with real emotions. >> john ritter got from peter stood up beside us the highest for my patriotism to if you are your congressmen are an enemy of the state. i can't remember in the last years any movement in america that hasn't gotten sympathetic coverage from the media except for the tea parties earlier this year, except for this. it's obviously part of partisanship and ideological bias sympathetic to disagree. i believe it was ari fleischer who said people need to watch

what the senate questionnaire raise criticism. that doesn't wash. i think the media, if they're liberal and for this, it ain't helping because this is being endlessly replayed. they have fallen totally into this is conflict. people -- you ever -- they're several issues. i think the media should be looking at who are the groups that are organizing this. just as it should george soros is doing. >> are they organizing it? >> there are interesting talk about it being pharmaceutical companies, millionaires it's not average people whipping this up. where the white house screwed this up they call the mama. you don't call%, thank you call% a month when asked about. we saw clips where people were asking the judgment questions and really deserves legitimate answers.2u

saint joseph spreading lies is like 1894 -- 1984. they are not helping us with the video. they need to put there point of view across. i think it's legitimate to say who is behind this. we certainly hear from people on "fox news," george soros is behind us and make you can't manufacture anger. you can e-mail and call his people -- no, no, that you can e-mail and call them to get out as much as they like. they would show up if they weren't legitimately and angry. >> you can scare people in mecca was scaring them? the drug company and insurance industry. there is scare on both sides. >> that an effigy of congressmen escorted to their carpets not civil discourse. >> scare texas is rachel met out in the first ten minutes of every show to denounce them and

call them names and talk about astroturf by contrast, senator claire mccaskill, democrat from missouri, said in her twitter account, listen, i think this is just real people. that's the choice. the real terrorism going on is msnbc and the liberal media somatic cell upside down. >> player liberals sought to americans that there play for the pharmaceutical companies that don't want this to happen. >> of pharmaceutical copies are for this third greatest trick in american politics ever. they had the drug company back room deal at the white house, the insurance company running as if in favor of healthcare reform and they are being vilified by the democrats at the same time. it's a really neat trick to make jane brought this up. she update us to have been asked to contact if they see disinformation about fark the shelter plan. this into our major garrett get into it with are not collecting

names for the e-mails to me by asking him than person markets the goal here. i don't understand what the particular goal is? >> the particular goal is too. >> to e-mail the white house tickets to get this information centers or something creepy about the white house collecting e-mails from ordinary americans about this information should mark that this is part and parcel of what the obama campaign did which is to collect names and addresses of people were going to be on its side in this debate tonight that's astroturf. there's something wrong with that. you can't center out e-mails or organize people. >> you can save time and her friends were sending you stuff. that's -- >> is a process i've gotten the message from clearly an astroturf group that i want the white house to know about, i don't see why the white house -- >> would anybody send an opinion

to the white house. >> us go further. politics to a new political website reported the obama white house has reversed a nine-year-old policy to not keep track of the people -- the cookies people put him on the go on the white house website. for the first time in nine years if you go to the white house website and click around there keeping that as well. the that's a violation of the bush era of privacy understanding. >> we're taking a break but we have a lot available to you on our website including spirited discussions and are about to break out in the studio. you can hear them after the show foxnews.com /fox "news watch." we will be back in two minutes with this package you to come in for two american journalists caught by north korea. is there more to this story. and has twitter become a national security threat? answers per next time his watch. (announcer) gillette fusion's indicator strip fades to white when it may be time to change. fresh blade.

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>> jon: on wednesday the news media fixated on two americans returning home. the pair arrived home to a huge welcome in california. the two journalists held in north korea for nearly five months for entering the country illegally. the reunion with their families for a hot anymore should -- emotion. later the fastest that two women showed poor judgment in their reporting.

>> would she will confirm an innocuous soil and never intended to cross the border. i don't think they used poor judgment. not because -- i'm going to let her tell the story. because i think there's probably more that we don't know about. >> jon: jim, you heard the service story about her sister's capture. what do you think? tonight i think she was right when she said there's plenty we don't know. this story suffered greatly from all the layouts and chickage and foreign bureaus and so on. we don't know anything about what happened. all we know is a last-minute bill clinton resuscitated his career by flying in there to be a hero. and so it will be his telling first-hand accounts and so on and so on. the rest of us -- >> your hardhearted connective stuff group. >> i think you can ask with a

foolhardy, but you know, i go back long enough that bob simon in the first gulf war went over and was held in captivity. should we not try to get the hostages from iran out? steve santana was captured in the gaza strip. people do things and say things when they are talking to a dictator to help get somebody out. this whole idea that somehow the dictator in korea benefits seems crazy to me. >> jon: part of the question here is that this led to an international incident. you have a former president going over to arrange the release of these two. you can argue that really has altered international relations. should they be explaining more of what happened to them and what they were doing and why they were there? back of course it should explain more. that's compared to something more recent witches david rohde of the new york times which was held hostage in pakistan.

now he came back in the day after -- maybe two days after his release, there was a front-page story in the new york times about how he was captured, what he was doing, what it took to facilitate his escape, how he escaped, his probably didn't go. all of this. we know none of this with respect to this story. every news organization should have been preparing such a story for the day after these young women's release. >> jon: are the media asking enough questions? probably not, but i think more than anything else but overall the story is this feel-good element of these two poor women being caught in a tearful reunion treated such as the zdnet story rather than dig into it and perhaps discover information that. >> that overwhelmed a few people like john bolton said listen, we gave kim jong-il a huge, huge gift that he has earned because he's still building nuclear weapons and so on. every else just ignored him because he don't want to say the truth. this is bad for u.s. diplomacy

in london this metro cost their cameraman producer who was with them when they were captured, and made it back to united states back in march, nobody has ever heard the story. what's that all about russian ark cement hate to use the word it remains to be seen. i would assume that some of the things that were not done or not said, david rohde in question, but the media were asked not to report on it. i think the media have time to look into it. i'm uncomfortable with the implication that these women delivered late and find our spooks what are we implying? >> at the end of the day it's the freakish regime that's going to sentence people to focus hard labor for setting foot in that territory that bears the blame. >> but this freakish regime is absolutely frustrated every single administration from bill clinton to george bush and the 2% obama. nobody knows how to handle them and i think that's been pointed out very well and immediate. >> one question. have any of the five of us ever seen the current .tv question mark i surpass.

>> for the 69 million viewers. >> it was al gores plaything that he got fat cats to fund it because they felt that about losing the 2000 election. >> it was interesting that their release got al gore and bill clinton hugging. but the television moment. time for another break but first you come across a story that you think should media bias, e-mail us newsletter foxnews.com. we'll be back right after this. >> pictures releases their summer blockbuster g.i. joe and controlling the media's message about the film. >> a birthday the white house makes headlines in late heard details next on "news watch." %%

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>> jon: the military andy nfl betting those in the ranks amusing social sites like poor and facebook over cyber security concerns. the marines had already banned the use of social media and military networks and order on tuesday said the use of sites like twitter and facebook could be used to spread malicious content. that's true as well for the nfl. they don't want players to be from the sidelines of the game the locker room the press box buried in the stands. teams don't want their training camp secrets becoming fodder for the twitter sphere. do we really need to ban putter from the nfl? symantec again a fellow survivor anyway. -- either way. i agree on the military. that's a security issue. it's that easy to send out information and people are that careless thing it. >> jon: will this affect troop are out? i guess you can use facebook and the marine corps are off duty

and it's your own personal computer. if you have such a thing. >> in the information that way to her it think the key words in this press release for information leakage. that's what they don't want. so what happens to the 4000 followers of the tutors of the chairman of the joint chief of staff? i think this is over action.[çrñ i think there's another way to deal with this. unless you're driving a tank when you shouldn't be putter finger at text messaging, i don't see what the harm is. >> jon: is just a new take on the rich. rubber when the marines invaded somalia and the media were ordered there. stack the thing to do here is educate the troops and what they should be saying on these sites are not. it really is a lifeline for them to meet their friends and loved ones. as far as the nfl, any unauthorized trading should be in the ap reported to the white house and barack obama take -- >> must be doing performance-enhancing reading

that the new movie hitting the week the screens this weekend with more than 300 million in production and marketing spending, paramount pictures released its summer blockbuster, or so they hope, g.i. joe. but there's a catch. there weren't any screenings for reviewers in print and broadcast media outlets. instead of the studio decided to premiere it at andrews air force base in maryland sponsoring a minute scattered and good rock concert tour. the paronto to secure some positive reviews? and, what does it sound like you, effect that maybe they don't trust the media on the coasts to give them good press to mark see mental yes, actually i talked to a couple from critics, the la times and washington post former addict, film criticism in general, with cutbacks they're not a lot of wonderful designations. he got rotten tomatoes in a lot of things. they can bypass the critics. there'll many different little picture you want help for. that's what these guys have told me say one is this a sign this movie might be really bad?

'it's probably very bad. i think it is also likely to be a great success. i don't see what the issue is, really. >> hats off to john miller of national review, who got hold of a bug -- that the trailer of it and pointed out that wears the old g.i. joe from the 60s was american soldier, this new g.i. joe is some kind of ninja international un black helicopters and i'm anyone not msnbc and donny deutsch and tameron hall just ripped into them. they call him ignorant twice to his face because they couldn't stand the thought that anybody would call hollywood on its antipatriotic production to hack doesn't g.i. joe stafford locally integrated joint operating entity. >> entity. if that doesn't make the black helicopter parent sound true, what does russian ark sue ten boy. let's switch gears to the story that made headlines for decades ago, and is still making them today. forty years ago, a two night murder rampage in los angeles by

the followers of an aspiring rock star and cult leader named charles manson, you see him there, terrified the hollywood community, made headlines across the world. how did coverage of the mass-murder's lead to the kind of coverage we see now in immediate russian ark what about a coverage. did it change the way that i've discovered is to mark sue hecht certainly socially and culturally it was a huge moment for present xml ugly retrenchment from the 60s and i would argue the sign at the 60s would lead into a. of disorder or crime became an obsession in our nation and national politics. it didn't really end until the giuliani area in the 90s when we beat it back. >> jon: the 60s were supposed to be about peace and love and that you had these grisly crimes that by. >> state-of-the-art pot smoking hippies. symantec dr. giuliani bring us back. that's quite a while. quite a fright for charles

manson. it is interesting to me that woodstock was also four years ago, and i think that was part of the fascination. i wouldn't put up little spin on it. i think it showed people as a legit it even more because cable is in there, that you could have people watching it like a live real-time movie. if we had had 24/7 coverage, i'm not even sure what we would be talking about today. probably charles manson still. >> jon: does it surprise you given the level of coverage that day, it is still a huge story. >> because it was an amazing, historic perfect crime one that continues to resonate and make people frightened. they remind us of why we have police and what we need law and order. it's -- helter-skelter was one of the most popular crime thrillers, richard crime thrillers ever written. biggest seller ever. so i think ourselves. it's like if it bleeds it leads. >> a crime is a problem people react to it. as rich said the crime rate was exploding during this alleged

summer of love. and finally not until the french connection to dirty harry the people wake up and richard nixon, we don't stop this. the mack time-out. >> -- >> jon: we have to take one more break. i let them battle it out. when we come back to mack 44 turns 40. alan etter mario two. two birthdays at the white house and to opportunities for us on late night. all next on "news watch" in the south. i'll never forget. it used one tank of petrol and i had to refill it twice with oil. a new car today has 95% lower emissions than in 1970. exxonmobil is working to improve cars, liners of tires, plastics which are lighter and advanced hydrogen technologies that could increase fuel efficiency by up to 80%. [ male announcer ] best shampoo, self magazine. experts at good housekeeping agree. they gave it their seal. [ male announcer ] pantene delivers damage protection results

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on tuesday of this week, the white house pressroom turned party room. president obama and veteran reporter helen thomas both celebrated birthdays with singing candles and a wish, of course. president obama who turned 48 sang happy birthday to the columnist who turned 89. mr. mr. obama said they both had a real birthday wish, a real healthcare reform bill. is president obama's

48th -- it's president obama's 48th birthday. isn't that nice. it's his birthday. happy birthday! and the president has asked lieu oflew of sending a a gift make a donation to his favorite charity, general motors. >> the president who turned 48 years old. if he was ever really born, that is, i guess that depends on whether you believe his birth cert cal or not. a reminder of why healthcare is so important. as you probably know due to a lack of healthcare coverage his mother was turned away from a number of hospitals and was ultimately forced to give birth in a mange. and that is a wrap on news watch this week. than f